The Best Frosting {a.k.a. Magical Frosting}
This magical frosting is simply the BEST frosting ever. It requires a bit more planning than every day buttercream, but the results are worth it.
I am rarely left speechless {if you are my husband you are seriously nodding your head right about now}. I like to talk {husband still nodding}. To dissect the details of important matters, such as great toenail polish and food {husband falling asleep}.
However, after taking a taste of this frosting, I was left completely speechless. No words. None. Just absolute, incredible tastebud bliss {husband shocked into silence himself}.
The Best Frosting of My Life
It is the best frosting I have ever tasted in my life.
You might have seen the phenomenon of this type of frosting swirling around. I tried the Tasty Kitchen version (highlighted by the Pioneer Woman) twice, and both times it was a disaster. I had given up on the so-called miracle of flour-based frostings until I saw and made this latest version.
It left me weak and trembling.
And do you know what tops it all? There is a chocolate version. Oh, heaven help me.
I slathered this frosting on the most decadent cake I’ve made to date (posting tomorrow!) and I can’t begin to describe the magical web of fluffy, creamy sweetness that is beholden in this frosting.
I am a self-professed frosting hater, which makes my testimonial of this frosting all the stronger. I abhor the greasy, filmy, overly-sugary taste of traditional buttercream. Even the adventurous seven-minute/marshmallow frostings of the world leave me wanting.
But this frosting…well, it belongs in The Best Recipe section no doubt about that.
My search for the best frosting is over.
I’ll be honest, it is a little more work and requires a bit more planning than throwing butter and powdered sugar together in a mixer but I’m promising you here and now that the results are worth every minute.
The real issue now becomes making sure any of this frosting actually makes it to the cake before being inhaled by my little lips.
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The Best Frosting {a.k.a. Magical Frosting}
Ingredients
- 1 ½ cups (318 g) granulated sugar
- ¼ cup (36 g) all-purpose flour
- 3 tablespoons cornstarch
- ¼ teaspoon salt
- 1 ½ cups milk, I use 1% or 2%
- 2 teaspoons pure vanilla extract
- 1 ½ cups (340 g) butter, cut into 24 pieces and softened at room temperature (I use salted butter)
Instructions
- In a medium bowl, combine the sugar, flour, cornstarch and salt. Slowly whisk in the milk until the mixture is smooth. Place a fine-mesh strainer over a medium saucepan and pour the milk mixture through the strainer into the saucepan. Cook the mixture over medium heat, whisking constantly, until the mixture boils and is thick enough that it starts to become difficult to easily whisk. This could take anywhere between 5-10 minutes, depending on your stove, heat, etc. It should bubble quite a bit at the end (be careful of the splatters) and thicken considerably.
- Transfer the mixture to a clean bowl and cool to room temperature – this is extremely important! If it is even slightly warm, the frosting won’t beat up properly. I refrigerated my initial mixture overnight. If you do this, make sure to pull it out in time to let it warm back up to room temperature. If you try to proceed with the rest of the recipe and the mixture is too cold, the butter won’t absorb into the frosting like it should.
- Once the frosting is completely cooled to room temperature (it should have no hint of warmth at all!), beat the mixture with the vanilla on low speed until it is well combined, about 30 seconds (a stand mixer will work best for this). Add the butter, one piece at a time, and beat the frosting until all the butter has been incorporated fully, about 2 minutes. Increase the speed to medium-high and let the mixer work it’s magic. Beat the frosting for five minutes, until it is light and fluffy. Let the frosting sit at room temperature until it is a bit more stiff, about 1 hour. I suspect if you chill it for an hour or so, it would be stiff enough to actually pipe with instead of frosting with a rubber spatula.
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Recipe Source: adapted slightly from Cook’s Country Oct/Nov 2010
1,068 Comments on “The Best Frosting {a.k.a. Magical Frosting}”
I made this, following the America’s test kitchen recipe, and it just didn’t set up. I cooked the flour/milk/sugar/cornstarch the day before, so it was definitely fully chilled, then brought it back up to room temp along with the butter before whipping in the stand mixer. It didn’t fully curdle, but it also was very loose and hard to work with. Any advice?
If the frosting was soft but not curdled, it might need more mixing time and/or chilling time in the refrigerator.
I followed a few links to get to this site because I make Ermine frosting (this is what your recipe is without the cream cheese) all the time. I am dairy free so I use soy milk instead of cow milk. The Ermine recipe I follow is very similar WITHOUT corn starch and of course, the cream cheese. Ermine doesn’t require a strainer but you do have to constantly whisk the mixture while on the stove (soy milk with no cornstarch takes 8-10 minutes). It also calls for placing cling wrap directly on the cooked “pudding” to prevent a skin forming while cooling. Ermine also calls for whipping the butter till light and fluffy, THEN adding the pudding mixture and vanilla. You can use any other extract flavoring in place of the vanilla. Ermine can be piped into simple shapes such as rosettes, shells, etc. It does not work for anything like flowers or roses. I often make chocolate by adding 1/4 cup cocoa (dutch or regular) after the pudding has incorporated into the butter. I have frozen my ermine and re-whipped without it breaking.
I’m heading to the kitchen now to try your recipe with some vegan cream cheese. Fingers crossed it is Magical 🙂
This frosting was great the day I made it, the next day the texture was just butter., lost all of it’s fluffiness. What did I do wrong?
Did you refrigerate it or leave it at room temperature overnight?
Did you ever end up using a piping bag in an attempt to pipe your frosting on a multilayer cake? Please post an update if you tried it and the inform us of the results. Any tips would be adored, as well. I could honestly reach through my phone and hug you for posting this recipe,, btw. I honestly and truly could, and would! Thank you thank you thank you,
Christi
I use this recipe all the time. I pipe with a round tip night before serving and keep them in a cupcake storage container in a cold room. It’s perfect.. I would post a pic but I don’t see a spot to do that.
Can this be frosted on a cake a day ahead? Or will that ruin the fluffiness? Maybe I need to frost the cake the day of.
Second question- can I sub mint extract for the vanilla? Or other extracts to make it other flavors? If so, do you think it would taste okay to make the chocolate Frosting version AND mix in mint extract??
I think it is best frosting the cake the day you want to serve it. I haven’t tried other extracts, but I’m sure it would work just fine!
I have not made this recipe yet. However, I have become impatient and disappointed with my Frosting-making. I am over-eagerly anticipating the first attempt at “The Best Frosting Ever”. Thank goodness ou from the bottom of my heart!
I saw someone else ask about corn starch and as I too try to avoid it and I saw you said the recipe required it but do you think any of these substitutes would work?
Rice Flour. …
All-Purpose Flour. …
Tapioca Flour. …
Arrowroot Powder. …
Xanthan Gum.
I have made a version of this recipe for years. I have never used cornstarch but I use a 1/2 cup of flour and it thickens just fine. This by far is my favorite icing. Well worth the effort!
I have been looking for this recipe for years. My mom made this on almost every cake. My favorite icing in the world! I could never remember all the ingredients. Should’ve paid more attention. Thank you so much!! I’ll be making this tomorrow.
Is it possible to make without cornstarch? It sounds odd but my husband can’t eat it.
I’m afraid it won’t turn out the same (the frosting won’t thicken as well).
I have made a version of this recipe for years. I have never used cornstarch but I use a 1/2 cup of flour and it thickens just fine. This by far is my favorite icing. Well worth the effort!
I have made a frosting just like this using all purpose flour. You can google Ermine frosting and you’ll get recipes which is similar to this, but uses flour instead of cornstarch.
I have made this frosting so many times, it is perfect for red velvet cake. The directions are easy to follow- just make sure to follow as directed and it will turn out perfect! I’ve read several comments about refrigerating it. I made a cake and frosted it with this frosting. Knowing I had to travel with it for 6 hours, I decided to frost the cake and freeze it overnight. After taking it out of the freezer we made our 6 hour journey. The cake and frosting thawed out during travel. By the time we arrived for the occasion- the cake and frosting were delicious!!
I think the people saying this tasted like butter didn’t do it properly… mine turned out great! I did, however, only use 1 cup of butter cause I thought 1 1/2 cups was excessive. It turned out light, just the right amount of sweet and the consitancy is great! I may have over mixed mine because it did turn out quite whipped… but you could easily plop a pile of icing on a cupcake 🙂 I had to speed up the cooling process because I didn’t leave myself enough time, and I found it worked well just putting the hot sugar/milk syrup mixture in the fridge for 45 minutes or so until it cooled enough to say it wasn’t warm anymore. At first I was thinking there was no way the butter chunks were going to blend evenly into the mixture and I thought I was going to have a lumpy butter mixture, but they blended great!
I was looking for an icing that didn’t taste like icing sugar. I hate icings that just taste like you added milk to icing sugar. This icing did not disappoint! I’m writing this one down for future baking because I’m constantly on the hunt trying out different icing recipes for better icings – this may be my winner!
I may have already rated this possibly, I’ve been using it for so many years. Probably 12 years!! It’s my go-to for sure. I don’t even bother making any other frostings, ever. Everybody always loves it. Thank you for posting!
This is wonderful. No problems with it. It’s the best for sure. I’m going to review the rest of your frosting recipes, because I know that I will be getting the best of the best too.
I do have one question though. I’m looking for the recipe for boiled frosting that when left to set up will form a slightly hard or crunchy outer crust. I’ve looked for it and in doing so found out that I am not the only one out there looking for it. I’d sure appreciate any thought or hopefully a recipe for it. Please, please help me get there.. Thank you so much.
Ingrid
I love the original recipe and would like to try the chocolate version. I just want to be sure…I will add in the melted chocolate after all the butter has been added and whipped for about 5 min correct?
Yes, that’s correct!
This is the ONLY icing I will make now. Yes, a bit more work but…oh, sooo worth your time. I’m not sure what could have caused some of the negative comments, it’s been fool-proof for me and has earned a place in my dog-eared ‘Mom’s Recipes’ binder to hopefully pass along to my girls. Thank you so much for this!
Tastes like butter. Not worth the time or ingredients. Mel has better frostings on her site.
Thanks Mel, this is the best icing! Not too sweet but nice and fluffy. I have piped the icing on cakes and it worked perfect. You just have to leave it in the fridge for a bit to get to the right consistency. I’m not too sure why some reviewers said it tasted bad or that it “turns into soup” and is grainy. All I can say is mistakes had to have been made as I have made it many times and it is soooo delicious and turns out perfectly every time. It’s my go to icing for sure. Don’t let those negative reviews scare you give it a try. Yum!
No i just sign in probably i am new on this website and i am going to do and make frosting on my cake, thank you
Wish I had something good to say but as a cake decorator for many years – this was the worst. I followed directions completely. Not at all for decorating. Magical in that it turns back into soup and absorbs into the cake. Grainy. Too sweet Separates in front of your eyes. Thought I could salvage as a crumb coating but it really doesn’t dry.
You didn’t do something right then. That’s not the fault of this individual. It’s YOUR fault. Not sure what you did wrong as any doodle head could make this. Pay attention.
Your comment is very harsh, rude and uncalled for.
your reply is unneccessary
This frosting goes by many names, but it was popular in the 60’s as ermine frosting, roux frosting, or boiled milk frosting, and was a popular icing for red velvet before cream cheese frosting took over. Anyways, I made this a while back under a very similar recipe, and it worked well for decorating. I ran into some of the same issues that you’re describing. The final step, when you add in the butter, is really important. It might seem (and definitely taste) like WAY too much butter when adding it in, but the key is to keep whipping, even past the point of incorporation to reach a good consistency, and so that it tastes light and fluffy (And not like whipped butter). It’s also important to add each little sliver of butter in slowly, waiting until each is fully incorporated to add the next one (Tedious, I know). I hope this helped a little bit!
I have been a professional cake artist for 47 years. If this recipe didn’t turn out well for you then something was done incorrectly. This frosting has never failed me and customers ask for it since it’s not as sweet tasting as buttercream. This is the best frosting I’ve ever tasted and use all the time on red velvet cake. You should definitely give it another try,
This really is magical! The best frosting I’ve ever made! My son helped me make it, and he thought it was the best frosting he’d ever tasted. Made it to go with your perfect yellow cake that was… almost perfect:) Will definitely make again. Thanks, Mel!
Hi, I’ve not made this yet but I was wondering if I could colour it with gel colours and what stage would you add the colour? Thank you!
Yes, you can color with gel colors. Add them right at the end and mix just until combined.
I like it but… although it works really well and looks pretty on the cookies, it tastes so bad. I tried changing the flavors of extracts hoping one would help but they didn’t. This tastes like liquified confectioners sugar—and yet it’s also a little bitter. Honestly, although my cookies looked VERY cute, I would say this ruined them because they were inedible.
I love this frosting recipe and have used it many times. I wanted to try adding a gel food coloring to it. Will that ruin the consistency?
It shouldn’t as long as you are using gel coloring and not liquid food coloring.
I added gel food coloring and it curdled the frosting.
The initial mixture looks a bit odd as it cools (think big white blob). But have faith! After the final mix is done and the butter is incorporated, you are left with something truly special. It really is the best frosting I’ve ever made/tasted.
Also called ermine frosting. Boiled milk frosting. Flour frosting not usually a fan because I can taste the flour BUT the recipes I’ve tried don’t use any cornstarch. Maybe this will turn out better. Excited to try!
Will it be ok refrigerated on a decorated cake and then take out the day of the party to get back to room temp?
Yes, it should be (won’t be quite as soft and creamy as serving fresh/unrefrigerated, but it should still work).
Thank you for this wonderful recipe. My guys loved it, As I did!!!
The first half of this recipe ( before vanilla and butter) tastes just like Krispy Kreme donuts! That’s going to my new donut glaze! Delicious frosting! My family can’t get enough of it! I used almond milk and vegan butter and it still worked perfectly!!
Could crushed oreos be added to this?
I think that is a great idea – take care not to overmix or crushed oreos can turn frosting gray.
I made your magic frosting! It turned out great! I followed your directions and saved the recipe. I am sure this will be my go to icing for many cakes to come! Yum!
How would you make this into a cream cheese frosting?
I haven’t tried that but I think you could sub some of the butter for cream cheese.
This recipe is so Decadent and Yummy! .. even before You add the butter! Reminds me of the fishy chocolate part of a ice cream Dairy Queen cake! Lol can I put this mixture in bet my layers.. then add the aka magic frosting over the top and then Freeze it? Thank you in advance for this recipe!
How would you dye this? I need red and black icing for a cake.
I stir gel coloring into the finished frosting.
I made this frosting 40 years ago and lost the recipe over the years of moving. I am so happy to find your recipe, you are right this is the best frosting ever. My husband loved it because it isn’t too “sweet” and has a wonderful texture.
Is this frosting okay in the freezer for small amounts of time? I tend to put my cakes in the freezer for 10 minutes after I do a crumb coat, then add a final layer, and back in the freezer for another few minutes to set the frosting. After it’s all done, I place the cake in the fridge & take it a couple hours before serving. Thank you.
Yes, if it’s used as a crumb coat and goes in the freezer for 10-15 minutes, it will be fine.
I have made a cake with this icing a week ahead put it in the freezer and it comes out fine! Once thawed it tastes just as delicious as freshly done. 🙂
Do you think you could stabilize it a little more with some gelatin without ruining it?
I haven’t tried that, but you could definitely experiment.
I made this with brown sugar and put it on carrot cake, AMAZING! My picky husband loved it (he hate cream cheese frosting). As always, your recipes never disappoint. Thank you!
I made this icing and it was wonderful. Yes, a little more effort, but this icing is much, much better than anything else I’ve tried!
This was light, fluffy, not too sweet. Topped delicious chocolate cupcakes with this wonderful frosting and it was delightful. This was exactly the alternative to buttercream I needed! We do so much buttercream and this was just wonderful to change things up. I was a little intimidated by it but when I made it was simple and your instructions Mel were so easy to follow Thanks!!
Yes this is an OLD tried and true recipe that I have been using in my bakery for close to 50 years. Definately worth the little extra time.
Any tips or ideas on how I could make this strawberry flavour with real strawberries? Or any Berry really?
The best way to flavor frosting with a fruit flavor is to use freeze-dried fruit (and pulverize them in to a fine powder and blend with the frosting).
I love this frosting! I have been using it for about 4 years with many compliments. I was wondering if you have tried piping it yet, and if so, could you update the recipe please with your results? Thank you very much!
Yes, it pipes well if it’s chilled until more set up.
Is this frosting okay in the freezer for small amounts of time? I tend to put my cakes in the freezer for 10 minutes after I do a crumb coat, then add a final layer, and back in the freezer for another few minutes to set the frosting. After it’s all done, I place the cake in the fridge & take it a couple hours before serving. Thank you.
Can you use arrowroot instead of
cornstarch?
I haven’t tried that so I’m not sure, sorry!
This is truly magical frosting. Thank you for sharing your recipe. It worked really well and its delicious too.
What about using whole milk or heavy whipping cream in place of the 1 or 2% milk?
I think heavy cream will affect the texture (not in a good way) but I think whole milk should work just fine.
I made it yesterday with whole milk and it was great! My husbands wanting me to incorporate white chocolate on the next batch. Have you tried this? If so, how much white chocolate and how much of the granulated sugar would you cut out to keep it from being overly sweet?
I haven’t tried it – sorry! Good luck if you experiment!
Would this work without cornstarch?
No, leaving out the cornstarch will affect the consistency.
Just make sure you use 3 extra
Tbsps of flour to replace the cornstarch.
I have made this recipe with just flour and it comes out fine.
Jan
I used soya milk and vegan margarine, as my son has a dairy allergy. It came out perfect and was surprisingly quite tasty despite the slightly bland substitutes.
Did you find the soya milk imparted a strong flavor?
love this frosting so much tastier than any frosting i have made before. i used it on my last 2 daughters b day cakes. one was just plain frosted and the other was used to frost the jack skeleton pull away cupcakes. everyone says how delicious it is to i wont go back!
How many grams for the 1/4 cup of flour? I find volume to be a little bit hit or miss, as some people do the spoon into measuring cup then level, and some people go straight into bag which is packed flour and much denser. Any tips? Thank you!
It’s probably right around 36 grams.
Mel ~
Could I do the first phase of the icing 2 days ahead and then resume with the mixture at room temperature and incorporating the butter? I’m trying to make the best use of my time – any advice is much appreciated!
Yes, you definitely can!
Would it be ok to refrigerate the cake once it is frosted? For up to 1 day? Or would that ruin the frosting, too?
Yes, that’s fine. Just take the cake out in time to soften the frosting a bit at room temperature.
Can I make the flour mixture and store it in the fridge overnight then bring it to room temperature and add the butter?
Yes, I think so
This is by far one of the best frostings I’ve ever made or tasted. I’ll definitely have to keep it as a “birthday only” kind of special recipe because I really kept eating just.one.more.bite. over and over again…just to get to that frosting. It’s dangerously good! Thank you for sharing your amazing recipes!
Did I miss how to store this once the cake is frosted? May I frost the night before, refrigerate, then serve the cake the next day??
Thanks!
Usually this is what I do but this DELICIOUS sounding frosting also sounds finicky with temperature 😉
Hi Melanie, yes, you can frost and refrigerate overnight. It helps to take the cake out several hours to soften since the icing will harden a bit.
Have you tried piping this frosting? Thinking about trying it on cupcakes for my daughters birthday.
Yes, I’ve piped it before. It’s on the soft side so it doesn’t work for super crisp decorations, but I’ve used it for stars and shells and such.
A funny little story about this frosting and a secret…..I was trying to impress my boyfriends family at a first meeting dinner. They suggested I bring dessert. So I googled “best frosting ever“ because they suggested some kind of cake. I came across this recipe, made it for the first time but panicked because i was unsure of how it would set up…..I put it in the fridge…. mistake. Upon arrival to the dinner the frosting was quite hard but still delicious. They said that their secret family recipe was so very similar… And they called theirs “ Mrs. Oliver’s”. Come to find out, theirs is ingredient for ingredient, measurement for measurement the exact same recipe as this recipe. They were a little miffed at me that I somehow had come across a secret family recipe only handed down with the upmost of trust and secrecy. We laugh now!
I have made this recipe over and over again. On hot days it doesn’t set up as well and on certain days certain butters don’t seem to work… I have tried a quarter cup of instant dry milk added to the sugar mixture and I swear the results are a bit more consistent. Hot days don’t seem to melt it when I use this addition. I would love someone else to try it and give me their opinion.
Thank you for the recipe and the memory!
Wow, sounds like they wanted to set you up to disappoint them – why else would they have suggested cake specifically when they had a “secret” awesome frosting recipe? And then they get to say, “well, your cake is good, but it could be improved with our supar sekret family recipe!”
OTOH I may be overly cynical – both my mother and I had horrible experiences with in-laws, even before the marriages. I hope whatever experiences you wind up having, that they’re good. 🙂
Instant dry milk addition is a good tip, thanks!
How much powdered milk did you add to the recipe. It’s pretty hot here. Thanks.
Does this frosting/cake need to be stored in the refrigerator?
If it’s out longer than a couple hours, then yes, I store it in the refrigerator.
Hi!
When you add the dry milk, do you use less liquid milk then? I will try it, then post my results, but I wanted to be sure first, thanx in advance! ~ Crystal ❣️
This was absolutely amazing! I’m making it again today. It goes wonderfully on chocolate, pound cakes, and probably everything. I did 2/3 of the recipe and it was enough to frost two full cakes from box mix so be wary.
This recipe is excellent!
Do you have a chocolate version of this frosting? Thx!
Never mind. I’m blind!
Hi Mel- Will this make enough for me to frost a three tier (9-inch) cake? Or should I double or half it?
…And thank you for the ideas for lock down birthdays… We have a twins turning 8 tomorrow.
It really depends on how thick the frosting is – I think I’d probably 1 1/2 to be safe.
Oh man, I have been making pioneer woman’s recommended frosting (from Tasty that you linked above) for years and recently discovered through trial and error that if I added the sugar to the hot mixture the results were not grainy! Then I came here and discovered I’m not the only genius, haha! Haven’t tried the cornstarch addition though. Do you think it makes a difference rather than all flour?
I like the texture with cornstarch and flour.
Made with the chocolate cake. Yes it’s more work but totally worth it. Very creamy and not too seat. Another great recipe Mel.
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G! I can’t wait to try the chocolate version…this will be my “go-to” frosting from now on! -thank you 😉
This is truly the best frosting I’ve ever tasted. I made the chocolate version yesterday for my son’s birthday cake (used Mel’s Best Chocolate Cake recipe). I frosted three 8″ layers with plenty of frosting between each layer and an extra-thick layer around the outside, and I still had about 1-1/2 to 2 cups left for other decorating (or let’s be honest, eating with a spoon), so the yield is perfect. The frosting seemed a little too soft after I added the room temp melted chocolate (60% Ghirardelli chips), so I chilled it/rewhipped it in 20 minute increments until the consistency was firm enough that I thought it wouldn’t slide down the sides of the cake. Everyone thought it was fantastic. My husband said, “I think this is the best cake I’ve ever eaten.” The credit goes to this recipe, though – thank you so much Mel!
When making the chocolate version, what kind of semisweet chocolate do you use? Is it just regular semisweet chocolate chips, or is it the baking chocolate squares?
I’ve used both – if using chocolate chips, I use Guittard or Ghirardelli brands because they melt better.
Best frosting ever ! Used on red velvet cake! It is to die for !
This is probably my favorite frosting recipe ever (And I sell cakes!) This is actually a variation of flour buttercream/ermine buttercream and it is popular because it is less sweet than traditional American buttercream. I have tried other flour buttercream recipes and this is my favorite! Thank you for the recipe
I’m making the choc version today. Think I can sub coffee extract for the vanilla?
Yes, should work great!
Came out perfectly— best frosting ever! I couldn’t stop tasting it! Thank you!!
I could cry this is so delicious. I struggled with other frostings made similar to this, but this one was simple and easy to follow. I want to eat the entire bowl with a spoon.
Do you think I could half this recipe? I have a small batch of frozen cupcakes left over from my daughter’s birthday two weeks ago. I don’t want TOO much frosting, or I will most vmcertainly eat it all! We are isolating at home, so so don’t want to make another huge batch up cupcakes either. I really only need enough to frost about 8 cupcakes.
Yes, it can definitely be halved!
Have you tried to make a cream cheese version of this?
I haven’t, but I think you can sub some of the butter for cream cheese to do that.
This icing I was skepticsl about but Im here to tell ya… Its DEVINE. And I actually lost the recioe last year and have been searching high and low. Found it printed out buried in my kitchen drawer. HAPPY DANCE!!!
I make a similar frosting that goes on my red velvet cake. I use flour and milk and cook until thick, it pulls from the side of the pan. My butter is at room temperature and I cream the sugar and butter until lightly and fluffy and add my vanilla. I add all the milk and flour mixture (it has to be completely cooled) to the butter sugar and beat until until fluffy. I keep my cake in the refrigerator.
That’s the same version I use but I will try this one too. Also, I’ve frozen leftover frosting and it is very good.
How long do you think this would keep? I.e. made it Sat and frosted cake. Put I’m fridge. Took out of fridge a few hours before serving on Sunday.
Then what 2 days? 3? And would you store in fridge or room temp (sorry I’m a homemade frosting novice).
I think if it stays well covered (I store my cakes in the fridge), it should be fine 2-3 days.
This really is the best frosting! It’s hard to explain how or why, it just is. Try it!
Have you tried piping this? I am thinking about trying it on cupcakes for my daughters birthday.
I am excited to try this frosting next time I make a cake! Growing up I hated cake unless it was frosted with a special frosting that was my great grandma’s recipe. It was called gravy frosting or velvet frosting. It is similar to this recipe. It is not too sweet like most buttercreams and has a lovely texture.
The taste of this frosting is amazing but the texture didn’t turn out for me on my first attempt. The second time around I creamed the butter first and then slowly poured in the cooled milk mixture and it was resulted in super creamy, light, glossy whip.
This recipe is perfect! Not too sweet, fluffy. The first time I used it on red velvet cake, my Grandma was happily surprised! Her mother used a recipe very similar to this one, but gradually it’s use in our family disappeared all together. She loved being able to taste what she had growing up! A note for future makers, it really IS important to let the frosting warm back up if you put it in the refrigerator overnight like I do. Once I didn’t let it warm up but started adding butter, and I thought I ruined the frosting! It was a bit separated, it wasn’t turning fluffy. I about died! I kept beating it for about 15 minutes and it finally came together and absorbed the butter like it should! Phew! Also, using too cold of softened butter (my kitchen must be cold!) makes it harder for the butter to absorb. I had butter chunks for a while. Thank you, Mel! You’ve made my ancestors very happy!
Haven’t made it yet. Is it possible to make this strawberry flavor? Thanks
If you mix in pulverized freeze-dried strawberries at the end, it will take on a delightful strawberry flavor.
This is an Ermine Buttercream, one of the 6 buttercreams: American, Ermine, French, German, Swiss, and Italian. It’s the classic, original, and authentic frosting for a Red Velvet Cake. Of the 6 buttercreams, it’s by far the most stable. That’s why southerners originally made this for their Red Velvet Cakes. My recipe calls for 5 T. flour and no cornstarch, so it’s essentially the same. It’s also one of the Pioneer Woman’s favorite frostings to use on any cake. I recently used it pipe onto 350 cupcakes for a kids’ event at our mall.
Did you have to chill it to pipe? Or does it pipe well on cupcakes well at room temperature?
As long as it isn’t overly warm, it works ok to pipe it at room temperature as long as it set up well after mixing.
Made this for the first time today. Cannot get over how smooth, fluffy, and silky it is!! It really is like magic! ! It came out just perfect! It is now my husband ‘s favorite frosting. I was skeptical after I cooked the first part of it. I could not imagine how that was going to turn into frosting. I like the fact that it isn’t sugary sweet like other buttercream frostings. So happy to find this recipe!!
OMG!!!!!! BEST frosting EVER!!! I don’t think I will ever make any other white frosting ever again!
Can this frosting recipe be cut in half and still achieve the perfect results?
Yes
Can you use gluten free flour?
thank you
I haven’t tried that so I’m not sure – sorry!
I’m months late, but yes! You can use gluten free frosting. I used a 1 to 1 gluten free flour and the frosting turned out just as great.
My mom has a copy of the original Waldorf Astoria red velvet cake. This is the frosting that was used on it. I will eat red velvet cake with cream cheese frosting, but this one is the perfect one for it and what I think a red velvet cake should taste like.
If you have not tried it, you must! I am glad I have it somewhere that it is much easier to access now!
Will this frosting take food coloring and still keep its consistency? I want to use it for my daughters birthday cake?
Yes, but I would recommend using paste/gel food coloring and not liquid food coloring.
Has it been tried using cream, or heavy whipping cream instead of milk? And does this recipe work to pipe a cake flowers decorations?
I haven’t tried subbing in cream. And yes this works to pipe decorations (although it is on the soft side so they may not hold a super crisp shape).
I’m not a professional, but I’m going to make cupcakes for a friends wedding next weekend. It’s suppose to be still around 90 degrees outside, so I’d like to adjust this recipe to make it more heat stable. What if I use “Bettercreme” or non-dairy creamer for the milk and add a couple of tablespoons of powdered meringue to help stabilize it?
Those are all substitutions I haven’t tried so you would have to experiment – good luck!
I love the recipe but I find that the frosting doesnot firm up as shown in the video. Mine comes out more on the runny side. Any advise? I tired beating it more,still the same issue.
Do you think you might need to cook the flour mixture in the first step longer so it is more thick?
Oh my. I was out of powdered sugar so I cringed and made this recipe. I thought for sure I would mess it up somehow seeing how it’s a bit involved. But the end result was fantastic! I made the chocolate version using 4 oz. chocolate and it was so delicious. So glad I gave it a try! Someone suggested in the comments to put the flour/milk mixture in the mixer at low speed to let it cool instead of putting it in the fridge. I tried this, and it took about 25 min. to cool down, but then I could move right to whipping the butter in. It really helped speed things up. Thanks so much for this recipe!
Does this need to be refrigerated or will it stand up in the heat?
It does best at cool room temperature.
I see many reviews stating that this tastes like pure butter and does not work. This has not been the case with me. This has been my go-to frosting for those that want a frosting that is less sweet than the traditional American buttercream. I used an “average” salted butter, nothing fancy. Everyone that I know that has tasted it loved it, and it has been requested repeatedly. Thank you for sharing.
Hi, I have had this recipe for a few years. My cousin gave it to me. It was her moms recipe. It is my absolute favorite go-to recipe
Delicious!! I actually was able to re-whip the leftover icing (we’re talking days later here) by microwaving a small portion (maybe 1-3 TBS) until melty and warm (maybe 10-15 seconds) then reintroducing it to the rest of the cold icing and whipping as usual. It became fluffy and smooth again. Just thought I’d pass that tidbit along 🙂
Hello! That looks really good, I always find frostings to be a bit too sweet so this one might be the solution! Do you know if it’s possible to make it vegan? With almond milk and magarine for example?
Thanks for your reply 🙂
I haven’t tried that so I’m not sure!
I make it with coconut milk, and it’s got a definite coconut flavor but I love it.
Does this work in a 13×9 inch pan?
I have made it vegan with almond milk and earth balance vegan butter sticks and it work out well
Someone mentioned powdered sugar but the recipe calls for granulated sugar. Can I use powdered sugar instead of granulated? Would the ratios be the same?
You can try subbing and see how it goes – not sure on the amounts since I always make it per the recipe.
Hello! I never comment on recipes. NEVER! This frosting intrigued me. I do not care for boughten frosting, and have been making my own as long as I can remember! I am no stranger to baking! This recipe is indeed time consuming. I scraped my gel/pudding into the metal bowl of my stand mixer. I let sit at room temp to cool, about 1/2 hour, then to speed it up I put it in a sink of cold water, stirring every so often, for about another 20 minutes. I feel the directions a bit confusing, at first thinking each piece of butter took, 2 minutes, but then I just plopped each piece in and about 15 seconds later added another, until all in, then I mixed 2 min on low and 5 min on medium as I think that’s what she meant. VERDICT: Texture is perfect! The taste is intriguing. With my first bite, I did taste butter as others have mentioned. I liked the overall sweetness though, not too heavily sweet like some frostings . So, I added 1/4 c. powdered sugar, and quite a bit more vanilla. Next time I might decrease butter slightly and increase vanilla (like 1 c. butter and 1 Tbsp. vanilla). I kept sneaking fingerfuls, so it clearly was not awful! I put this on a chocolate cake (I think a frosting like this needs a deeply flavored base to pair it with). OVERALL: We all liked the cake, and my husband had 3 pieces!!
hi mel, if I wanted to make this as a white chocolate frosting would I adjust the sugar content or do anything else differently? I plan on just pouring cooled melted white chocolate into it, at what stage do you propose I do that?
I haven’t tried that so I can’t say for sure, but as long as the white chocolate is cooled, you could probably add it in at the end.
How much and what type food coloring to make vanilla icing baby girl pink? Thank you! So Excited to try this!
I prefer using gel food coloring vs liquid but the amount will definitely depend on the brand/color. Just start with a tiny drop on a toothpick and add more if needed.
This reminds me how of the old original frosting that went with the red velvet cake. Very similar.
Yes! That is the only way a red velvet cake should be served. Otherwise it is too rich and sweet.
So is this ermine frosting?
Hi, is this recipe a stable frosting recipe for hot, humid climates such as Houston, TX? Thanks!
This frosting does have a tendency to melt in really warm conditions. It’s best kept at cool, room temp (both the frosting and once the cake is frosted).
I made this with an airplane bottle of baileys instead of vanilla and it was absolutely amazing on my chocolate brownies. Super rich though.
on the magical frosting, I’m making it for my daughters wedding cake, could I substitute cream cheese for part of the butter to give it more of a cream cheese taste?
The recipe sounds wonderful and I’m excited to make it.
Yes, others have done that!
This is by far the best frosting I have ever tasted. Super rich and creamy but not to sweet. This is now my new favorite
On your frosting, I am assuming (and we all know what happens when one assumes, but I’ll take a shot anyway) you use unsalted butter as you don’t specify and there is salt in the recipe. Just want to make sure. Thanks.
Oh, to the lady that wanted a chocolate flavored frosting that is white, how about if you melt down white chocolate chips instead of the semisweet to add to the frosting? I know it’s not the same as a regular chocolate flavored frosting but it might work.
Joan
Hi Joan – I actually use salted butter. I’ll update the recipe so it is more clear.
I’ve made it and it turned out velvety smooth. Here’s a tip for cooling quicker: put the cooked pudding mixture in you stand mixer and turn it on to a medium high speed. The motion of the mixer will release the heat and the mixture will be cool within 20 minutes.
Can this be kept at room temperature for a day or two ????
I think that might be a bit too long; I usually refrigerate if it’s going to be longer than 4-6 hours.
I made the chocolate version of this for some chocolate cupcakes I made. It was delicious. I took some cupcakes to a friend’s house and she also commented on how good it was.
I’m putting this frosting in between layers of pound cake, since pound cake is so heavy, will this frosting hold up or will it melt into the cake? Also, if I frost the cake and put it in the fridge, how long will it last? Thanks!
I’ve never used this frosting with pound cake so I honestly don’t know, but I do worry it might be on the soft side for a heavy cake like that. You could frost a day ahead of time, I think.
How do you think this icing will do if you frost the cake and freeze? How long will it hold up on a cake in the refrigerator?
I’ve never frozen it so I don’t want to lead you astray – I’m not sure how it will freeze. But a frosted cake could stay in the fridge for 2-3 days (you’ll definitely want to take it out in time to come to room temp before cutting).
Has anyone tried making a gluten-free version? Maybe increasing the cornstarch?
I have frozen a cake for a week with this frosting and it tastes just as good as when it’s fresh, once thawed.
I really wish I had read the reviews before I made this. It tastes like a big slab of butter. I’ll keep looking.
Was really, really hoping this recipe would be absolutely to die for. It left me saying, “Meh.” The recipe was hard to understand regarding the flour/cornstarch pudding and how long to cook it and how thick it should be. I did not think it turned out like frosting but more like whipped cream. Was also a lot of butter which made it taste like you were eating whipped butter with a bit of sugar. I’ll keep looking for the perfect vanilla frosting recipe.
Litterally tastes like pure butter
Ran into the same issue, it will seem like copious amounts of butter, but you have to keep whipping it, the overwhelming buttery taste will subside.
Hi there – do I used regular butter or unsalted?
I use salted butter
I have said I will make my nephews wedding cake. Cake flavor chocolate. They do not like almond or vanilla flavored frosting. Do you have a recipe for white frosting that tastes like chocolate?
I don’t, I’m sorry!
One time I ended up having to make this (and your best chocolate cake) gluten free, and it turned out wonderfully using Bob’s Red Mill 1 to 1 Gluten Free Flour. It and the cake got stellar reviews at our work Halloween party, and I ended up sending the rest home with the person that needed it gluten free. I had a back-up frosting planned in case it didn’t turn out, but was thrilled to find it wasn’t needed.
I’ve also made a strawberry version of it! Put about an ounce of freeze dried strawberries in a food processor until it’s a fine powder (or put it in a sealed bag and crush to a powder with something that won’t tear the bag) then just add it at the same time as the vanilla! It turns the frosting a lovely pink and has a fantastic strawberry flavor, better than you’ll likely get with a flavoring, and won’t change the consistency enough to be noticeable, like jam would.
Does this need to be refrigerated?
I love this frosting! My favorite
If the cake is out for longer than 4 hours or so, I suggest refrigerating.
I was really hesitant to try this recipe because the frosting Ive made in the past turned out terrible but this one was really easy to make and tasted wonderful with the chocolate cake (also by Mel). It was worth the extra time of cooling and the whole family enjoyed it. Thank you!
I haven’t tried this recipe yet. My question is, can this frosting be use on cookies? If yes, can the cookies be stacked without sticking together. I did read that it doesn’t crust,. Probably because there is no powdered sugar in it. I did see someone added a 1/2 cup powered sugar, did it gather a crust by adding such a small amt.?
I think this might be too soft to use for stacking cookies.
It seems I’m in the minority that doesn’t like this frosting. It spread beautifully (I did a crumb coat first, which helped) and I like the generous quantity,. But I agree with other posters that it tasted mostly of butter, but not in a good way–it might be more precise to say it tasted of fat. Following another poster’s suggestion, I added about 1/2 cup of confectioner’s sugar at the end, which improved it–but I still really didn’t like it. My family was divided–some liked (but didn’t love) it, some agreed with me.
I also dislike most frostings (overly sweet, too greasy, whatever) so I was hoping I’d prefer this one. Oh well, the search continues.
I’m wondering if you used salted or unsalted butter. Believe it or not, it makes a difference. For frostings and my Swiss Meringue Buttercream I used unsalted butter. I then add a tiny bit of salt myself, The other day I made a mistake and used salted butter and I did not like it at all. All I could taste was butter. Had to make another batch and mixed the two. This is the recipe I normally use which is very similar to this one http://leelabeanbakes.com/blog/2013/05/22/even-better-cooked-flour-frosting/. I have tried the cream cheese version and chocolate and it was a big hit,
Thanks so much G P and sorry I only just saw this! I always use unsalted butter. So I don’t know….I think I am a tough customer when it comes to frosting though, since I really do find that I don’t like most recipes. It was nice of you to weigh in–thank you! (And thanks Mel too for posting the recipe–I should have included that in my original review!)
A lovely frosting, and much better than American buttercream. I used egg nod instead of regular milk, and it was so delicious. I used it to frost a gingerbread cake. Can’t wait to try different flavors, maybe mix in raspberry coulis. Thank you for sharing.
I use a variation of this recipe on red velvet cake but I am going to try this with the cornstarch to see if it alters the texture. I love all of the ways that people mentioned on how to flavor it for different types of cake. And, I would also add that I am astounded by the recent trend towards outright rudeness on cooking blog comments. It’s not just this one, every single blog or video I watch lately comments are really getting less civil and more and more rude and nasty. It’s disturbing.
For some reason my comment ended up tagging onto Lianna’s but I actually intended it to go in the general comments as stand alone. I’m sorry, I don’t know how to fix it.
I JUST made this recipe. It was time consuming and I was disappointed with the solid buttery taste. I’m not a baker at all, but I have been known to have a lot of common sense. I did add 1/2 cup of powdered sugar at the very end, after the 5 minutes of whipping, and oh what a difference! It took away the buttery taste and added a bit more sweetness. 🙂 I’m very glad I tried this recipe!
Do you just stir in the powdered sugar, or whip it just a little longer after adding it?
Thanx so much,
~ Crystal ❣️
Can I frost my cake with this recipe and freeze the cake until time to serve? I am making an ice cream cake.
I’ve never frozen a cake frosted with this recipe, so I’m not sure. Sorry!
Tried this for my son’s birthday cake. It did not disappoint. Happened to see in time that salted butter was recommended and included 1/2 teaspoon of table salt with my unsalted butter. Made me cringe to add salt to frosting, but it really delivered. I am not normally a fan of buttercream and it’s oily feeling. Household of six and everyone really likes it. Bonus that it actually hardens instead of melting like my other heavy whipping cream versions. Definitely going to use it again! Thanks for sharing!
I will make this again, but will try with removing at least 4 T of butter. I really felt like I was eating butter with a hint of sugar on my cupcakes. The kids were split 50/50 whether they liked it.
It came out really smooth and I liked the addition of cornstarch which I haven’t seen before, but still, the butter was overwhelming.
Thanks for sharing the recipe!
After the cooking step, should the mixture still taste of flour? Or is that a sign its not quite ready?
It will definitely still have a bit of a flour taste, but it shouldn’t be overwhelming.
This frosting recipe does not work. After a fairly time-consuming process, it just ends up tasting like soft, weird butter. If this recipe requires fancy, expensive butter to taste good, then the writer should have said so. I have doubts, however, that even fancy butter would make a difference.
I used this recipe and combined it with your “tie-dye” idea to make ‘unicorn cupcakes.’ They were beautiful and I felt like a total ROCKSTAR, so thank you! It was totally easy to pipe out the frosting even without additional cooling.
I will say that waiting for the frosting to cool to room temperature after boiling took a few hours. This may have been because I doubled it.
In response to some of the other comments, it did not taste like butter. It tasted like whipped cream and everyone who tried it said the same. Perhaps it has to do with butter type? I always use unsalted good quality butter.
I bet those cupcakes were AMAZING!
This sounds wonderful! My daughter has sensory issues related to food and I think this may work for her and be a nice change from stabilized whipped cream (the only frosting we can use right now). Thank you for sharing this, I can’t wait to make it!
I usually make a swiss meringue buttercream. Today I made your recipe. A lot simpler, a lot easier to make and it tastes so good and the buttercream is so smooth. It holds its shape, easy to apply. To me it is a discovery and a good one. For those who said it tastes so much butter, well it is a BUTTERcream.
Adopted.
Thank you
Thank you for the recipe, I used it to make wedding cake and it turned out pretty good
All in all, a decent icing if you are looking for variety. I’ll probably make this again.
Pros: nice to have a white icing recipe for which I will almost always have the ingredients (granulated instead of powdered sugar, no shortening); no weird ingredients; tastes good; probably tastes how icing did back in the day?
Cons: taste wasn’t that much different from a traditional buttercream but more work (if you, like me, avoid traditional buttercream because the texture is heat-sensitive and tastes too much like straight butter, you’ll have the same problems with this one); have to plan ahead (lol); adding gluten to something that is typically gluten-free; seems like it would be really difficult to pipe and I’ll probably stick with Wilton’s buttercream for that (seems like it’s either really, really soft or instantly firm in the fridge, so you’d have to do small batches in a bag at a time otherwise your hand heat would be a problem).
our house divided. some liked it, others did not. since momma (me) didn’t like it (way too time consuming for what it was) i get to choose to never make it again. my husband said, “what’s the big deal? it tastes like store bought.” one word: yuck.
Amazing! I’ve been making cakes for years…birthday cakes, wedding cakes…wish I’d discovered this recipe years ago. Light, creamy, pipes like a dream. I can’t wait to try the chocolate version.
It is very smooth and creamy, but almost like eating pure butter. Mild flavor.
yes!
What am I missing? This tastes like a mouthful of butter.
Same thing I thought!
I am new to using a stand mixer. I have a kitchenaid and wondering if i should use the normal mixing paddle or the big whisk?
I think I’d use the whisk for this frosting.
Right?
Is there a recommended substitute for butter?
No, unfortunately, butter is pretty important in this recipe
We only used this recipe with shortening growing up, it’s what grandmothers recipe book called for. I use butter now due to taste preference but those who do not like the taste of butter would benefit from using very cold shortening. I sometimes do half and half when I am unsure.
I have substituted butter for heavy wiping cream that i beat until it thickens ( 1 cup and 1/2)
Hello, my name is Sarah and I’m 14. I tried out this recipe and to be honest I didn’t think it would be good since I used whole milk instead of 1% or 2%. It turned out alright, but I think it needs a tad bit more sugar. (I didn’t add any though). I finished making the frosting. An hour later, I read that the frosting was supposed to be made fresh. I, at this point, am annoyed because it took a lot of time to prepare and make. I think I’ll only make this frosting on\for special occasions.
Is the semisweet chocolate baking chocolate? Or chocolate chips?
Usually baking chocolate will melt better than chocolate chips; but I often use Ghirardelli or guittard chocolate chips (they melt well).
Hi. I’ve always made this type of frosting with flour only. Is there a difference with using the addition of cornstarch? Thank you. Stephanie
I’ve made this several times and it is absolutely wonderful! Since I found this recipe, it has been the only frosting I make. Today, though, I’ve discovered that if it is too warm in your kitchen when you try to whip it up, it doesn’t come together properly. It’s much warmer in here than it normally would be (80°).
I have just started making this Ermine frosting. I have never made your recipe but will definitely give it a try. The one I’ve made has only flour to thicken. I always mix the flour with a little of the milk and whisk until lumps are gone. Same thing when I use cornstarch to thicken things, take a few tablespoons of liquid and mix with corn starch before adding it to rest of liquid . If you do it this way I don’t think you will need to strain it. Also the recipe I have creams the butter until fluffy with mixer and then the pudding mixture is added one spoonful at a time and waiting until incorporated before adding another. This has worked well. It pipes beautifuly and I have frozen on the cupcakes which is my preference as they can be made ahead of time. I have noticed it is more susceptible to heat when sitting out. Must be in air conditioning. Chose not to use it for three layer cake with piped roses as I was not sure if it would hold up on sides of cake due to gravity. If anyone has had experience in this please share. I would much prefer to use this recipe as it is much less sweet.
Hey Mel! Does this buttercream frosting crust?
Can you use the paper towel method to smooth it out ?
Thank you
Debbie
I don’t think so.
I have to make cupcakes for my twins first birthday. The cupcakes will be displayed inside an air condition house probably around 72 degrees for a couple hours before eating. Would this frosting be a good option for that? It sounds so good and I really want to use it but I’m afraid it will melt in those conditions.
It will be fine if kept indoors in air conditioning – it’s more of an issue if it’s taken outside in direct sunshine and lots of heat.
The only frosting recipe I use its awesome!!
Perfect! Seriously, perfect! Next time I may just scoop this into dishes and garnish with strawberries. (Not really, but I can fantasize). Now about that toenail polish . . ..
Salted or unsalted butter?
I always use salted butter
Does the granulated sugar make the frosting to Grady? The recipe calls for granulated sugar. Is this correct or should it be supposed confectioner sugar. Can’t wait to try this. Thanks for sharing !
Grainy Not Grady
The recipe is correct as written with granulated sugar.
Amy I have a great cooked recipe from my big sister and is similar to this. I would like to try this one although the one I use is awesome! I wouldn’t recommend piping mine though I’ve never tried it! Lol! Also I wouldn’t recommend trying any cooked frosting recipe if you don’t have a stand mixer unless of course it’s cooked Coconut-Pecan Frosting for a German Chocolate Cake.
Frosting for Devil’s Food Cake:
1 cup milk
3 Tablespoons flour
Cook & stir constantly until thick (thicker than gravy, but not as thick as mashed taters. COOL-COMPLETELY-stirring every so often. As this cools IT WILL become as thick as mashed taters.
In a stand mixer bowl Beat Until Fluffy the following:
1 Cup granulated sugar
1 Cup salted butter at room temperature
1 Teaspoon vanilla
Scrape down sides every so often. *****This mixture will still be grainy even when it becomes fluffy!*****
Add in cooked flour/milk mixture to FLUFFY sugar/butter mixture and continue to beat/incorporate all until no longer grainy. As before scraping down sides every so often.
You could probably use this frosting for a Red Velvet Cake and Whoopie Pies.
FYI I have left this frosting beating in my stand mixer while I’ve grabbed a quick shower!
This frosting is AMAZING! Well worth the wait! To make it cool down quicker I put it in the freezer. I couldn’t stop trying bits and bites of it 🙂
Good stuff, will hang on to this recipe…thanks
I see you said you shouldn’t refrigerate and rewhip, but can you ice the cake and then refrigerate overnight? My daughter’s party is at 10 in the morning and I would like to have it fully ready the night before.
Yes!
Is this frosting thick enough to pipe on cupcakes ? I am looking for frosting that isn’t so sweet for cupcakes and it’s so hard to find anything good.
Yes, I’ve piped this on cupcakes many times.
OMG Magical is right. When making I had doubts. I even checked my pantry to see if I had the ingredients for a different frosting. So to say I was skeptical is an understatement. BUT what an amazing surprise the more butter I added the more it began looking like frosting. When it was done and I tasted it WOW it was the best.
Hi! I both opinion is this frosting thick enough to use for piping cupcakes ?
I loved it, the consistency of the frosting was perfect and i was able to frost my 2 tier cake.
Want to try this recipe out tomorrow! Can you use almond extract instead of vanilla?
Sure, you could definitely try that .
Does this frost a one layer or two layer cake ? And chocolate is my favorite it will be my next try . Thank you
It can probably frost a 2-layer cake if you don’t overdo it with thick frosting.
I love this frosting so much, I could literally eat it with a spoon!! I can’t wait to try the chocolate version and was also thinking of trying this with almond extract. I did notice it is a little salty with salted butter, maybe next time I’ll try it with unsalted. Thank you for a great recipe!!
Thinking about trying this and adding a bit of Chambord to the frosting. You think of I added a tablespoon of Chambord and cut back a bit on the milk that would work?
HI Mel,
I want to make this frosting for my chocolate cake can I use half shortening and half butter? Thanks in advance.
I’ve never tried using shortening, Ann – sorry!
The best frosting. Ever since I found this frosting it’s the only one I use. I always get compliments on how good it is!
Do you think I can substitute milk with cashew milk?
I haven’t tried that Linda, so I’m not sure, but it might work pretty well!
Hi! Can you make the cake a few hours before serving it? Would you put it in the fridge or leave it on the counter?
Yes, you can definitely make it a few hours ahead! If it’s cool room temperature, it’s fine to leave out on the counter but if it’s overly warm, I’d refrigerate.
This is one of the best frostings that I’ve ever tried. The flavor is creamy and stiff enough to pipe with.
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This recipe is perfect! My wife hates frosting and can’t get enough of it. It tastes slightly like cream cheese frosting but it’s so light and fluffy! This will definitely be my go to frosting for everything.
I need to make cupcakes for my 3 year old granddaughter. Can food coloring be added, she loves purple! If not can you recommend another recipe? Thanks
Yes! It definitely can! I recommend gel food coloring so it doesn’t thin out the frosting.
Besides chocolate, have you tried adding different flavors to the base frosting recipe? Adding fruit purees for example? Does it hold up well?
Thanks!
I haven’t, but I think if you wanted a fruit flavoring, the best way to get that (based on my experience with other frostings) is to pulverize freeze-dried fruit and add it to the whipped frosting.
I am making a sheet cake for my daughter’s birthday this weekend – should I double the recipe to make sure I have enough frosting?
Also I am making a Curious George image out of fondant that will cover about 1/3 of the cake. Will the fondant hold up on this kind of frosting? Should I put the fondant on the cake at the last minute or will it hold up if I place the finished cake in the fridge?
Many thanks!
Yes, I think the fondant should be fine as long as the cake is kept at cool room temp (or refrigerated). This frosting doesn’t hold up as well in heat. I always worry about running out, so if it were me, I’d double the frosting.
How much icing does this recipe make?
The yield is right above the recipe title, it makes about 4 cups. 🙂
Has anyone used this recipe for piping ? Should I place it in the fridge for an hour before? I’ve used a very similar recipe before and don’t want it to fall apart like the other did.
Yes, I’ve used this for piping, works great! If it seems too soft, refrigerate for 30 minutes to an hour (not too long or it will firm up too much to pipe).
I’ve always been happy with my buttercream frosting and since it is so much easier I’ve never bothered to try anything else. I was curious though so I decided to try this frosting. It was a lot more effort, but it was so worth it. This is the best frosting I’ve ever had. I could eat just straight frosting and wouldn’t miss the cake. I couldn’t resist licking the beaters clean which I have don’t since I was a little kid. I don’t think I can go back to buttercream frosting.
I want to make this for my sons first birthday coming up but am a bit confused by one thing… after I’ve completely made the whole thing, and it has set and is ready to use, can I frost the cake then place it in the fridge (or covered on the counter) the day before? I usually like to make cakes the night before so I don’t have to worry the day of their bdays, but if that wouldn’t work well for this recipe I’d love to know. Thank you! 🙂
Yes, you can definitely do that!
If I make and frost cupcakes and cover, will the frosting still hold up overnight? I have to take them in the morning to a birthday party and won’t have time to make the frosting that morning.
As long as they are kept at cool room temperature, they should be ok.
Are you supposed to add melted chocolate during the cooking of the rue process or the beating process?
Try adding the melted chocolate when you beat in the butter.
My son who is a lover of icing says this is one of the best. He insist that there is cream cheese in this icing which there is none. I like how it doesn’t have the overly sweet taste that is common with butter cream
Rich and creamy and not too sweet! Piped it by snipping the corner of a baggie! Held up like a champ.
Would love to use this recipe on a gluten and dairy free cake. Would vegetable shortening work in place of the butter?
Thank you for a great recipe!
I think the shortening texture might take over the silkiness of this frosting – but I haven’t tried it. Good luck if you do!
To make this frosting gluten and dairy free, I used an equal amount of Spectrum shortening in place of the butter and substituted the milk with almond milk and added a 1/4 tsp more vanilla. It worked fantastic on top of and as a layer between 3 layers of very dense gluten and dairy free chocolate cake. Very versatile frosting. The key is to let it thicken and then cool completely. Thanks for the recipe!
I use the smart balance butter and almond milk to make mine dairy free. Its is amazing!
What about the flour ? What’s a good replacement that works?
This frosting is so good! I followed the recipe just as instructed and I couldn’t be more pleased with the results!! I used it for my red velvet cake and used almond flavoring- it was so creamy and easy to spread.
Just when I thought I had outgrown licking the bowl and beaters along comes this delicious icing! I’m fairly new at baking so I was a little worried about trying something new on a cake I was sharing with others but I’m glad I did. I followed your directions exactly and it came out great. After all the butter was added I continued beating for about 7 minutes, it probably could have used a couple more minutes but I was using a hand mixer and my are was getting tired. Thank you for sharing.
Can I use heavy whipping cream? Do you think that would be good?
In place of the milk? I think that might affect the texture of the frosting since it is so much thicker than milk (and has a lot more fat).
This is absolutely 100% the very best frosting I have ever had in forty years .. I am about to make it again right now..both are fantastic !!
You note that you use 1 or 2% milk. Does whole milk work?
Yes!
Hi, I am planning on making this along with your chocolate cake for a birthday.
Can I make and frost the cake the day before and still have to stay fluffy and tasty following day?
Would i keep the frosted cake in the fridge overnight?
Yes, I think it can be made a day ahead of time! Do you have a cake cover? That will help keep it moist. I’d probably refrigerate overnight but take it out several hours in advance of serving so the frosting can soften.
This is actually the frosting we have always used on red velvet cake I usually cringe when someone brings red velvet with cream cheese frosting because we all prefer this decadent frosting over cream cheese frosting. So thanks for posting this! It isn’t a recipe you find very often!
Can we agree to disagree…? In my opinion, the only reason to make red velvet cake is because it gives you an excuse for multiple layers of cream cheese frosting.
Back to the point, though, I have piped this frosting, colored orange for Halloween, and it holds up great!
(I haven’t had a chance to read through all the comments to see if someone else has already address this piping issue, so there’s just my two cents!)
I’m with you Kate, cream cheese frosting is such an insult to red velvet cake and was not part of the original red velvet recipe, ermine frosting was. Yum! This recipe is made even better somehow with the addition of cornstarch. I’m not sure what it changed but it’s good, like a more satisfying texture.
Made this four years ago for my daughters 2nd birthday and have another daughter who just turned 2.. so decided to make the best chocolate cake ever… again! Loved it!
It doesn’t specific salted or unsalted butter? Does it matter? What about imperial margarine?
I always use salted…never tried margarine in this recipe.
Salt cuts the sweetness of sugar so it does matter if you use salted or unsalted butter but if you have one on hand most people can’t tell the difference in the taste so it’s fine to use one or other. If you make any kind of frosting (like a traditional buttercream) and it’s too sweet you can add a dash or two of salt and it’ll make it less sweet.
Margarine is softer so while it can be used, you’ll get a better flavor and frosting if you use butter.
I used all unsalted butter and l don’t like it as much. Someone else said it was too salty but ldk… next time I’ll try 2 sticks of salted butter and 1 stick of unsalted and see how that balances out.
If I make this tonight and put it in the fridge do you think I could pipe it on cupcakes tomorrow? I’ve never made it and I don’t like buttercream, so want to try it!
Hey Lynn – it does pretty well made in advance, but you’ll want to bring it to room temp out of the fridge and rewhip it for a creamy consistency before piping.
Can you tell me what the shelf life is on this icing? I just made it and it’s SO GOOD. I’ll be putting it on a cookie cake and am wondering if the icing should be refrigerated or if it’s ok to sit on the counter?
It’s ok out on the counter up to 24 hours as long as it is cool room temperature (probably 70 degrees or lower). If not, I’d refrigerate and take it out a couple hours before serving.
Hmm…. this frosting is good, but the texture is not super perfect and was not worth the extreme effort (in relation to other buttercreams I have made). I got a slight hint of powder in the end texture? And the amount of frosting does not look to be enough for “The Best Chocolate Cake” recipe I made from your blog… I do not have a stand mixer, so maybe that accounts for the error with this frosting. Thanks for sharing this though! Just wanted to share my experience.
If you can taste the flour or is tastes “powdery” then the flour/milk mixture was not cooked long enough. I’ve made that mistake before. Made me so mad because because I was racing the clock getting cupcakes ready for a bridal shower.
This is the best frosting I have ever tasted! I just finished making this, and did it turn out great. I refrigerated the cooked mixture overnight and then let the butter and the milk mixture come to room temperature until about an hour and a half before I am to serve it, then I whipped it and am letting it sit right now. I can’t wait to dig in after lunch!
Thank you so much for this great recipe!
Hi there. I am in South Africa and thus the temp is always hot.
I have always been told not to use milk in buttercreams due to spoiling in the heat.
Should I remove the milk? I’d love to use this on cupcakes for a friends wedding and thus they may be sitting out for a while
I don’t think this recipe would work without the milk, unfortunately.
Ok thank you for your help.
About keeping this frosting in the fridge or when the butter was not soft enough, whenever it separates and becomes grainy I warm the frosting in the microwave or over a bowl of hot water for 5 to 10 seconds and whip it for a minute. It becomes silky as it was meant to be.
Its okay. Taste like pudding
I was skeptical til I read originally you weren’t crazy about frosting. So I gave it a try …after years of making buttercream frosting. And I must say it was a winner for me. (Though our daughter claims she likes the sugary taste of the buttercream!!) Yes, it’s more work but worth it. I’m so glad I came across your site. I’d never heard of a flour based frosting before. Thank you for your posts!!!
Delicious. I used almond extract instead of vanilla. Wow! Yum!
This is really great, not too sweet and texture is silky smooth. I also like that it doesn’t have powdered sugar in it and I can use raw. My new favorite…
Omg!!! I will never buy frosting again!! This is so light and fluffy……heavenly is perfect description. My guy is gonna think I’ve morphed into Betty Crocker when he tastes this cake and frosting! If I can make this ANYONE can. This novice cook thanks you for sharing!!
Can you double or even triple this recipe?
I’ve doubled it but haven’t ever tripled it.
Hi, how many cups does this make? Thank you!
About 4 cups.
Hi Mel! I have been searching everywhere to for a filling recipe that is not too rich or sweet, as my hubby feels the same about icing ad yourself. I need to fill a soccer jersey shaped, fondant covered cake, for my ten year old son’s birthday on Sunday afternoon. Since I have to fill it, them dirty ice it before I put the fondant on, will it hold up if refrigerated inside the cake after the last step of the recipe for 24hours???
I am so looking forward to trying this recipe out, thanks for your blog on it and I will let your know how it works for me and my birthday boy….
Yes, I think it would hold up just fine!
This one didn’t work for us – followed to the T and was a separated goopy mess. Out to buy more butter…
Hi, i have tried it a 100 times and everytime it turns out great. However right now i just made the first step using the chocolate version and it didnt thicken up as it does without the cocoa powder. Where did i go wrong? Please help as its urgent.
Unfortunately it’s really hard for me to know what might have gone wrong without any more details. Can you try refrigerating to see if it will thicken?
I just made it, and You should rename it “Heavenly Frosting” because by a long shot, this is the best frosting I’ve ever tasted, store bought or homemade. I had to hurry (a little), so I used the refrigerator for the cooling, and it turned out amazing and was ready just in time!
I’m totally a frosting lover/snob. This really is the BEST I’ve ever had! It’s like velvet! For some reason it didn’t pipe too well for me… Maybe it was still too chilled? Will totally give it another shot. Delicious!
Hi Mel, if I reduce the sugar further, would it affect the stability of the finished frosting? The ‘roux’ would no be as thick as if I had used the full 1.5 cups of sugar, I presume, so I am worried the finished frosting won’t hold up as well as.
I’m not sure – I’ve never reduced the sugar. Good luck if you experiment!
Hey Mel, love your site! This recipe is very similar to the only icing my mother used to make. It was always so delicious, but I never got the hang of preparing it. I like your version, it might be better suited for me (I had problems with the cooking part of Moms version.)
I can’t wait to try it, my husband is grossed out by buttercream icing (too sweet and heavy) so I’m looking forward to his reaction to yours. It sounds like a perfect sub for him. I’m a frosting freak, so I’m excited to have a replacement that will please everyone. Thanks!
Help, Please!!!
I, like you, dislike traditional buttercream icing. Too sweet for me. But it colors & decorates very well….and its easily made Gluten Free. I really want to make this frosting, but I need to make it Gluten Free for my celiac nephew. Any hints? I noticed that someone recommended rice flour rather than a wheat flour. Has anyone tried that and at what ratio/measurement? Also does this icing decorate well? Does it run? Will it pipe well as decorations not just for cupcakes.
This frosting does do well for decorating/piping as long as it isn’t warm. I haven’t made it gluten-free but others in the comments have. Good luck!
There is a frosting that one of our grocery stores called Rouses makes. It is so lite and airy.It floats into your mouth. I love love love it. I hope this is the recipe for it. I always ask almond extract to be added. If it is not I will keep looking for the recipe.
I would love to hear if this is close to the frosting you are talking about. Since I found this recipe, it is the only frosting I use. I find it to be amazing! I am making it right now for my son’s birthday cake!
If I wanted to make this into a strawberry frosting how would I go about doing that? I was going to make this as is for Mother’s Day but my mom wanted either a strawberry or raspberry frosting. Would just adding strawberries be enough or do I need to change the recipe a bit?
If you can, I’d pulverize freeze-dried strawberries and add them at the end…it’s my favorite way to flavor frosting without changing the texture (with extra liquid).
Ok I’ll try that! Thanks!
How many strawberries would you recommend I add? (Sorry I forget to add this to the first reply)
I’d probably start with about 1/2 cup pulverized freeze-dried strawberries and see how that goes and then add more to taste, if needed.
try strawberry koolaid
I have been looking for a recipe like this so I have just made half of it cant wait for the morning to taste it
I LOVE this frosting! It turns out perfect every time! I wanted to have a cream cheese flavored frosting…would you substitute some of the butter for cream cheese (if so how much), or would you just add some in after you whip the butter in?
Thanks in advance!
Yes, you can sub one 8 ounce block of cream cheese for one of the sticks of butter. 🙂
How many cups?
Nina Donovan
St. John’s, Newfoundland
Canada
1 cup of cream cheese
Hi I’m in a bit of a hurry I hope my question isn’t repetitive but I want to use this frosting for my cupcakes that I want to bring to school tomorrow, and the cupcakes won’t be in the fridge at school. I’m worried that the frosting will melt if I carry the cupcakes around for seven hours (thats how long I have to keep them with me before they will be served). What do you suggest? I’m from Germany and I decided to make this because my classmates don’t like really sweet things.
As long as the cupcakes can be kept at cool room temperature, they should be fine. Any warmer than that and the frosting might melt/sag a little.
Great Caesar’s Ghost! This is just like the silky rich chocolate frosting my great grandmother used to make with boiling water. (Until I was an adult, I thought she used tea because kettle = tea in my little mind).
It’s rich, holds up well, the butter and chocolate taste come thru beautifully and it’s not super sweet. I used the special jet black cocoa bought online and the cake looked like it belonged in a catalog. And it tasted even better!
Hi, I am from India and I just had a little doubt that are we supposed to use Salted or Unsalted butter? I’ve made it and it is Amazing but it is a bit salty and too thick. I think it might be the salted butter I used.
I always use salted butter.
So if I use salted butter do I still add the extra salt?
I use salted butter and make it according to the recipe. 🙂
This was so good, I always hate homemade frosting because of the powdered sugar. This was perfect! Made it for my great grandma and she was licking it off the cake the whole time
Hi,
I love this frosting and it’s all I ever use but I was wondering how I could make it lemon or other citrus flavoured. I once put orange zest and juice in the pudding base and it ended up tasting like cream cheese frosting; not bad but not bright and tart and fresh like I was hoping for. Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance and keep up the good work!
I believe others have commented in the thread that they’ve added orange extract and zest (or lemon extract and zest) at the end for a citrus frosting.
I have used freeze dried fruits in frosting, process the fruit till powder, then add to frosting.
Hi,
Do you think this recipe would be a good substitute for 7 minute frosting on a coconut cake with lemon curd filling?
Thanks,
Liza
It’s not quite as sweet as 7-minute frosting, but I think it would be delicious.
Hi Mel! I didn’t have time to read all the comments, so maybe you have answered this, but, I’ll ask! Have you tried piping this yet? And if I make it Saturday (for a birthday party on Sunday) can I pipe and refrigerate on Saturday and it will still be great Sunday? (and it needs to travel in my car for a few miles too).
I have made this before but only iced a cake with it. And good GRIEF it was amazing! Would love to wow 20 ladies at a birthday party with this icing if you think it will pipe! Thanks!
Hi Tara – yes, I’ve piped with this; works great. I’ve found this frosting refrigerates well as long as it’s already on the cake (frosted or piped) and then the cake is taken out of the refrigerator in order to come to full room temp so the frosting softens. The times I’ve made just the frosting ahead of time – it doesn’t re-whip very well. I think it would be just fine to make a day ahead of time!
The Icing was a big hit! It piped absolutely beautifully – – I wish I could post a photo! It was so much softer than Buttercream, I was nervous the piping would collapse but that was unfounded (and I pulled it up very high line bakery style cupcakes)! It traveled well, also! Thank you! I used this on your yellow Cupcake recipe. Delicious!
I’m so happy this worked out, Tara!
the kids at my kids prek loveeeed the frosting ..thank you so much
Love this recipe. If I publish a trail and cooking book may I have your permission to print this with credit to you?
Sure! You might want to give credit to the original recipe source listed under the recipe, too (I adapted it from somewhere else).
Great recipe Mel, and clearly a popular post even after several years. I wanted to leave you all a few comments about why this recipe doesn’t refrigerate well. Starch-heavy foods go through a process called retrogradation over time after they are cooked. It’s the process that causes things like gravy and pudding to get watery after refrigeration. It is also the reason why refrigerated bread gets sweaty in the bag and becomes stale. The starch granules shrink and expel trapped water. Refrigeration accelerates and intensifies this process, and it is irreversible, causing the frosting to separate. This frosting is best if not refrigerated after making, and consumed within a day or two. There are other starches and additives that can slow or stop the retrogradation process, but most aren’t accessible to the home cook. One starch that is widely available is “sweet rice flour.” This flour needs to be cooked slowly and for a longer time than wheat flour, but I bet it would make a good frosting that could stand up to refrigeration or even freezing. Unfortunately, I don’t know what the quantity substitution would be of rice for wheat+corn. Best to you.
I loved this, Chuck! Thanks for adding your advice about refrigeration to this recipe. So very helpful – and I love knowing more about the science behind food. Thank you!
Hi Mel, just found your recipe yesterday. It was exactly what I was looking for, so tried a practice run last night before making it this weekend for DD’s bday party. Amazing! I am in a sugar coma still from all the finger licks I took:) In case people are wondering, I was able to whisk this no problem with an old hand mixer, BUT I did read somewhere else to cream the butter first, then add the roue scoop by scoop –opposite of how you did it. Worked like a charm! Thanks so much for the recipe
LOOOOOVVVVEE!!!!! Added almond extract for a REEEAAALLLLY yummy frosting! Thank you!!
I’ve been making a similar frosting for nearly 40 years and it is my family’s favorite. It isn’t overpoweringly sweet, and it looks beautiful. I plan to try yours next time to see how they differ.Looking forward to trying your version. k
I just made the chocolate version of this and it is very yummy! Not very chocolatey, but still good. My comment is regarding the cooking time. I wish it was more specific. Mine had to cook for 35 minutes before it got thick and was hard to whisk. When it cooled, it was like thick, sticky caramel, but the frosting still turned out well. I wish the recipe had a “time to cook once it’s boiling”. I will definitely try the vanilla version. Thanks for the recipe!
Do you think this could be used as a “tunnel” in a bundt cake?
Sure, I don’t see why not! 🙂
We call it 7 minute frosting . It is really good .
hi mel, u mentioned that its best to use a stand up mixer, I only have a hand held 1, will this work just the same?
I recommend not using a handheld mixer because I don’t think it’s powerful enough to get the frosting as light and fluffy as it needs to be (it has to be mixed for a really long time).
ok, Ty so much for responding so quickly
Hi Mel,
Was just wondering if you would be able to help me here : I made this frosting yesterday to go with your Unbelievable Chocolate cake. Both the frosting and cake were delicious (as always !) but the only thing that didn’t turn out quite as I expected with the frosting is that It didn’t have at all the same white colour as yours…mine was more like…well yellow…do you have any idea why ?
Thanks !
I’m guessing it has something to do with the butter you used. I’ve noticed that butter color differs based on brand (some are much more yellow than others). What brand of butter did you use?
Yes that must be it. I used Elle&Vire, but don’t know if you have that brand in USA…I live in Europe.
Anyway, not a big problem as the frosting tasted very good ! =)
Hi Mel,
I am not a fan of frosting. Yet as I was making this, I couldn’t stop myself or anyone else in the household from testing it. Lol thank you for sharing.
I tried the chocolate frosting yesterday and could never get it to come together. I seriously must have let it beat in my stand mixer for 20+ minutes and every time I stopped, it would separate and start to look grainy. I did cool the mixture in the fridge prior to beating and adding butter – it felt maybe slightly cooler than room temp (but only ever so slightly, because I had just checked it minutes before and it was still warm). Is the temperature of the mixure really that finicky? Looks like an amazing frosting so I’m just wondering what could have gone wrong! Thanks Mel!
Hi Amanda – I do think the temperature of the cooked base can be the factor – it needs to be completely cooled and I’m guessing that might have been the issue. I’m sorry this didn’t work out – I know how frustrating that can be!
Mel this is a weird question:
Do you whisk this in a non-stick sauce pan? That is the only type I have…so I have to use a silicon whisk (which bends more easily and can’t take thick mixtures) I am wondering before starting this if my silicon whisk will be able to handle it….OR do I need to buy a sauce pan that is not non-stick—so I can use my metal whisk?
Sorry, I know you get a million questions—But I am planning this for my b-day and I don’t want it to fail!
I use a stainless steel pot (without a nonstick coating) but if your silicone whisk is sturdy it should hold up to the job. It will be like whisking pudding or something similar to that consistency.
Thanks Mel:)
And have you ever frozen the cake with this frosting on? Does this frosting hold up to being in the fridge if not the freezer?
I’ve refrigerated it a lot but never frozen so I’m not sure how well it would do.
This turned out great! Hopefully everyone likes it 🙂 I added 2 tsp of rum extract at the end (along with the vanilla) just to sweeten it up slightly and its amazing! I am making it along with you chocolate cake which so far so good!
Thank you!
C
Hi. I love your site! I would like to make this frosting along with the chocolate cake. Would it be OK to make the cake and frost it the day before and leave out until the next day?
Yes, as long as it stays at cool room temperature, that should work great. It usually keeps a cake nice and moist to frost it all the way if it’s going to be a day before you serve it.
This frosting was lovely! Seriously my new go-to. Not too sweet but delicious, light, and airy! I even won over my coworker who hates traditional buttercream.
Hello! Can’t wait to try this! At what point do you add food coloring of using? Thanks so much
I usually add it at the end as it mixes.
Thanks!
I made the chocolate version of your icing, and my husband said this was the best icing I’ve ever made! So thank you for sharing your recipes! And it paired beautifully with your Perfected Yellow Cake! Just one question, though ~ does the iced cake need to be refrigerated?
If it’s stored at cool room temperature it should be fine for 8-12 hours. Longer than that, I’d refrigerate but it will take 4-5 hours at room temp for the frosting to soften again.
Hi – first, I just have to say that your site is my absolute favorite and I recommend it to everyone! I have never made a bad recipe from your site and I am not an expert chef/baker.
I was wondering if you had ever gotten around to piping with this recipe. I have to make a cake this weekend and the frosting needs to be piped and I wanted to try this recipe because of the great reviews but if you hadn’t had success, I will try one of your other frosting recipes instead.
Yes, it pipes great!
Hi Mel! I’m hoping you might see this before tomorrow (Thursday) sometime. I’m making a birthday cake for my friend, and she requested this icing with your chocolate cake for her party. I’ve made similar frostings with cutting in the butter while whipping, but honestly can’t recall which beater I used in my Kitchen-Aid. Do you recommend the whisk or the beater for this one? Thanks!
Hi Lynn – I use the whisk attachment for my Bosch when I make this so that’s probably what I would recommend. Good luck!
Thank you! Whipping right now.
Hi Mel,
Love you, love your site! I was just reading your post about brown butter yesterday, but I haven’t tried it yet. I’m wondering if it would work in this recipe?
I’m not sure how the browned butter would do added at the end of the frosting – it would have to be cooled (resolidified) but honestly, you’d have to experiment since I don’t know if it would set up in the frosting like butter in stick form as called for in the recipe. The idea sounds heavenly though!
Recently, I tried this frosting, using heavy cream, and upping the sugar by one-half cup to 2 cups instead of the 1 and 1/2 cups the recipe calls for.
During the cooking phase, however, the liquid never thickens substantially, as described. … Instead, the liquid just bubbles into a frothy mixture that is like syrup. … It still sets up well, and it tastes pretty dog gone good, but it just never thickens, really. … Is this because of the extra sugar?
It could also be because of the heavy cream – the extra fat may make the texture (thickness) different.
Hi Mel, I am a huge fan of your blog and have used many of your recipes as staples in my collection. You are the best! I am just wondering if, in your honest opinion, this frosting would be good on an angel food cake? I make one for my husband every year and I was thinking about either making this frosting or going with the other recipe you have with the whipped chocolate frosting and toasting almonds to top on the cake. Thanks so much for your time!
Hmmm…I think the flavor and texture of this frosting might be a little too rich for an angel food cake but that’s just me. My favorite frosting for angel food cake is just heavy whipped cream, whipped to stiff peaks with a bit of powdered sugar and cocoa. So light and yummy.
I am new to baking. LOL. Do I use salted or unsalted butter?? Thank you. Merry Christmas!!
I use salted butter for this recipe.
Hi Mel.
I made this frosting for my sister and she loves it!! She won’t make it herself – just insists that I make it for her. For Liz who said the frosting came out salty, I always use unsalted butter in eveything, and especially for any recipe that calls for salt. That way I control how much salt is actually in the recipe. I totally spaced and forgot the salt the first time I made this recipe and it turned out great. I have a friend who is lactose intolerant so am going to try substituting the milk with plain and flavored non-dairy creamers to see how that works.
Hi Mel! How long do you think this leftover frosting will last in the fridge?
Merry Christmas! Hope you are well!
A week or so. 🙂
Hello! Delicious, decadent frosting recipe! Made it for my son’s first birthday yesterday and made extra. Hoping to use it on the extra cake I made for his other party this weekend. How would you recommend I store it in the fridge? It’s currently in a lidded Pyrex bowl. What would be your recommendations for using this frosting after it’s been refrigerated for a week? Bring back to room temperature? Re-whip or not?
Thank you!
That container should work just fine. Yes, I’d bring it back to room temperature and beat until light and fluffy again.
I whipped this with a hand mixer not realizing the whipping needed to be so vigorous. I thought it seemed smooth enough and then my husband put it in a piping bag and it separated like nobody’s business. Did I not whip it long enough?
Sounds like that might be the issue – this recipe definitely benefits from using an electric stand mixer to do the work.
Hello I love vanilla frosting but cannot find a homemade one I love except for one that doesn’t taste good next day if left out and I hate to refrigerate my cupcakes. I refuse to use store bought because there is so mich garbage in there. I made something similar to this but didn’t get it perfect. I have two questions I want to make for my sons school party next week can I make a day ahead and frost and leave them out and if so are they still safe to eat and just as yummy? If not can I do the flour part and leave that out overnight and finish up the rest in the morning Because there is no way I would have time to do it all in morning lol. Thanks
You could definitely make the flour base of the frosting, refrigerate it and finish it up the next day.
Amazing! The chocolate frosting version is so good I wanted to cry! For any readers wondering…. I place in ziplock in fridge overnight, let come to room temp and piped cupcakes no problem next day.
I’m using chocolate for inside layer of my daughters cake and outside vanilla.
Gonna be amazing!
Did you ever try using this to pipe with? I’ve made it before it is my favorite, but I haven’t tried piping with it. I’d like to use it for my daughters cake. Thanks!!
This has been addressed up above in the comments so scroll through for some great feedback from other readers! 🙂
Hi,
I have been looking for an icing to make my son’s birthday cake. I don’t care for the sweetness of buttercream. Is it possible to get the correct consistency with just using a hand mixer with the whisk attachment? I don’t have a stand mixture. Also, would the icing be okay with some fondant accents on top of it? Lastly, I was hoping to ice the cake Friday night for a Saturday afternoon party. Would it keep well for that if I refrigerated the iced cake and pulled it out a few hours before the party?
Thank you!
Hi Shannon – I haven’t tried this with a hand mixer because it requires such a long (and vigorous) mixing time. I haven’t used it with fondant but I believe others have up above in the comment thread. And yes, you could ice the cake a day ahead of time – just take it out in time for the frosting to soften to room temperature. Good luck!
Hi,
Please let me know is this good enough to use under fondant?? TIA
This is addressed further up in the comment thread – I haven’t tried it but I believe others have. 🙂
I dont like icing that is too sweet and this was perfect. This recipe is similar to Italian buttercream without the risk of burning yourself on boiling hot sugar. Thank you for posting this!
Made this yesterday and it was really good I add some dulce de leche when I cook the mixture and turnout great. this will definitely replace my buttercream, thank you so much
I made the chocolate version today using Hershey’s Special Dark cocoa and Ghirardelli’s chocolate bar. OH MY GOODNESS!!! Best chocolate frosting ever. Also made your chocolate cake and layered it with raspberry filling and it is AMAZING!!!
Can you use Gluten Free Flour?
I haven’t tried it but you could definitely experiment.
What happens if you would use brown sugar? I’m wondering how that would work in the chocolate version. Also, can I use 1/2 cup cocoa powder, what would the extra dry ingredients do for the texture? I’m looking for a deep chocolate frosting and love this.
I haven’t made either of those substitutions so I’m not sure, Lisa. You’ll have to experiment. Good luck!
Lisa, Cook’s Country also developed a brown sugar version and called it Caramel Miracle Frosting…it is also delicious! P.S? So is their Cream Cheese version (amazing!), and the chocolate one is great too, though I prefer a frosting with a stronger chocolate flavor.
This sounds amazing! Would this frosting work with the Viva paper towel frosting method?
No, I’ve tried it. Because it’s an all butter frosting, it doesn’t crust over like frosting that has shortening in it (which is the best for that Viva paper towel trick).
Holycrapthiswasamazing! Seriously so delicious! This might be the only frosting I ever make again.
I totally loved this recipe I made it twice and it came out perfectly I used half and half cream 10 percent I was wondering if I could use a smaller amount of butter say 1 cup butter I have a stand mixer so I beat it for 10 min I really thank you for this recipe my son in law said he liked as well as the expensive one they got on holidays so this recipe is making me look good my granddaughter is having a baby so they asked me to do them for here big shower thanks again
Have you (or anyone) tried to make this with shortening to get it to crust?
I haven’t tried it with shortening.
I have never made this with shortening, but may years ago I had a neighbor who used either all shortening or half shortening and half margarine* (I don’t recall which). I don’t believe this made it crust over but did give it a different flavor and texture, and is whiter than one made with all butter.
*This dates back to the days when people used margarine and was probably more of an economic issue for her than anything else.
PS I never had a problem with the separating as I do with this version but it’s an easy fix. Just keep beating it and it will come together. I’ve even made this ahead and frozen it.
I have been making a version of this recipe for as long as I can remember. Cook’s Illustrated made it better by adding the sugar to the cooked mixture (instead of creaming it with butter and then blending the two mixtures together which makes for a smoother end product with no grittiness at all) and by swapping out some of the flour for cornstarch. The straining also eliminates any possibility of lumps.
I recently started a batch and realized I only had half and half. I also used some vanilla which had come from the Dominican Republic (much thicker than what we are used to) and it was UNBELIEVABLE.
Also, I recently made a batch with a gluten free flour blend. It came out just fine. So yes, you can substitute the flour. You could probably also eliminate the flour and replace with just cornstarch, but I suspect the texture might be a bit gummy.
I have never tried the caramel version and don’t recall the ingredients list, but I just made a batch using light brown sugar instead of granulated in an attempt to achieve a cookie dough flavor. This worked perfectly fine as well. Based on previous comments, I might try the chocolate version and pipe both together into two-tone rosettes.
Help! I just made the milk mixture for this and it turned out more like a thick syrup than pudding consistency. Has this happened to anyone else?? I’d hate to use all that butter in the next step of its not going to turn out! 🙁
Third time making it – LOVE IT – shared with lots of folks! Thanks for making buttercream go away :).
Hey Mel!
Just wanted to say thanks for this recipe! It’s turned out absolutely amazing both times I’ve made it and it pipes beautifully! This is the first time I’ve come across your blog and I can’t wait to try more of your recipes!
Tried again and it still separated! It’s sooo yummy (pretty sure I gained 10 pounds today) but just looks funny. I added the cocoa to the original mixture but didn’t add chocolate at the end. Is that my problem? Maybe I’ll just try the original next time and see if I have the same issue. Everything was room temp etc. Grrrr. On second thought, maybe I shouldn’t perfect it so I can fit into my jeans! 3 birthdays in 3 weeks is bad news! Love all your stuff.
🙂 — a fellow Boisean (if that’s a word)
Shoot, Natalie. Sorry this still separated when you made it! I suppose it could be due to the cocoa powder without the chocolate – the melted chocolate may act as a bit of a binder. If you make it “normal” and it still separates, let me know and we can do some more troubleshooting. I hear you on the yumminess, though – don’t even TRY it sandwiched on graham crackers. Just don’t.
Hi there!
I’ve made this frosting hundreds of times and tonight it “broke” or separated and I couldn’t not fix it. Do you know of any tricks to salvage the frosting?
Thanks!!
Can you try adding some powdered sugar and rewhipping?
Mel, can I add food coloring to this. I need to pipe trees, will it stay formed?
Thanks,
Rhonda
Yes, you can add food coloring. I’m not sure what type of trees you are wanting to pipe – tall, stand-alone trees probably not. But just a decoration piped onto the surface of the cake should be just fine.
Remember this icing has real vanilla and butter and although it might not look it, there is a yellowish tint to it. So if you add a true green food coloring you might end up with olive green. Pink might be just a bit orangey and so on. This can even change with the time of the year because the butter changes.
I tried it and it seemed to separate as it sat. What did I do wrong??
Usually it means the frosting needs to be whipped longer to avoid separation.
This sounds delicious! I think I’m going to try your frosting for my son’s upcoming birthday party cake. I am doing a chocolate sheet cake (double layered) and then carving it into a number “5”. I would like do your frosting as filling, and then also as the main layer of frosting all over, but then to decorate with piped frosting in different colors and also a few fondant decorations. Do you think it’ll hold up to that kind of abuse? Haha. Will the color run? Thoughts? TIA!
This frosting pipes really well (especially if it’s refrigerated for an hour or so after it’s whipped up) and I haven’t had any issues with the colors bleeding. Good luck!
Thanks a bunch!
This is a fantastic recipe. I have successfully made the chocolate version with a lot more chocolate and it was to die for. I have also reduced the 1 1/2 cup sugar to 1 1/4 cup with no issues intact for what ever reason it came out better. We are toning down on sugary stuff and find as we go lower in our sugar content we are more sensitive to it in baked goods. I’d rather focus on favors then just sweetness anyway. So if you want to reduce it even more… You can definitely do so with a 1/4 cup…. Depending on how we like it I may even try 1/8th less next time.
“Magical Frosting” is a totally apt name for this. I was incredulous (which is silly because every recipe on this site is amazing) and I felt like an actual magician. This frosting was PERFECT. I piped it on cupcakes, and my coworkers raved about the frosting more than the cake! Thanks for giving me a new (and super impressive) go-to frosting!
I made this frosting and your Unbelievable Chocolate Cake & it was wonderful!!
Could you please tell me, how long does the frosting last in the refrigerator since it has milk in it? Thanks!!
Probably up to a week.
Thank you Mel!
This frosting knocked my socks clean off, from here to Texas. Seriously. It’s truly magical – best frosting I’ve ever had. I’ve made it (along with your chocolate cake recipe) at least 3 times now. I’ve even told my husband not to bake me a birthday cake (which always offers to do) because I simply MUST HAVE THIS ONE!
I have a lemon cake on the agenda, and I wonder if this frosting would work with some lemon juice and zest added to it, or whether I should just stick with a lemon buttercream / confectioners sugar-type frosting. Any thoughts? Have you ever tried it with lemon or any other flavor?
Hi Aimee – happy to hear you love this one. I haven’t made it with lemon but I believe several people in the comment thread have with great success.
Hi Mel,
I think I have finally decided I am making this frosting and your chocolate cake for my daughter’s birthday! Will there be enough frosting from this recipe to ice a 13 x 9 sheet cake and to have some left over to add food colouring gel to pipe letters on the cake? Thank you.
Are you frosting just the top of the 9X13 cake? If so, then yes, I think you would have enough to frost the top and do some piping.
A follow-up on making strawberry frosting: 6 dark strawberries mushed into milk and strained to yield 1.5 cups milk came out suuuper delish and very strawberry flavored. In all other ways like the original. However, the vanilla made the whole thing brownish, so I had to use 2 drops food coloring for pastel pink.
Also, I tried to chill this for piping, left it in the fridge too long and had to rewhip it. It was a hot mess texture-wise after that. But still delish.
Hi Mel,
I was wondering if I could pipe “happy birthday” on this kind of frosting since it does seems so light and airy…I am worried what ever I use may bleed into the white frosting? Can you suggest what to do? Should I frost the cake with this magical frosting and use another for the piping? Any suggestions are very much appreciated! Thank you!
Hi Melissa – I pipe with this frosting all the time (it helps to chill it first like the recipe suggests). Once you frost the cake with white frosting, it helps to refrigerate to let that frosting harden before piping another color on top.
I DID! Thank you! You are right about how great it’ll turn out! only downside is it can’t hold shape too well.